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Sound Without Sight on WolfTalk Podcast: How To Create Accessible Audio Software


In this podcast episode, I was lucky to interview Jay Pocknell; a production and mixing engineer from the UK.

Not only is he a skilled sound engineer and a lovely person to talk to but also a proactive member of the audio community. He founded the Sound Without Sight organisation and currently works at the Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB) advocating for music software, music hardware, and music instruments accessible to everyone: including musicians and sound engineers with disabilities.

Basing on his lived experience with sight loss, Jay gives invaluable advice on how any audio programmer can make their software accessible. This is a gold mine of first-hand information!

In the podcast episode, we discuss his path to becoming a sound engineer, which obstacles he needed to overcome, and how we as the audio community can remove some of these obstacles permanently.

Episode Contents

In this podcast episode, you will learn:

  • how Jay became a sound engineer,
  • how he came up with the idea to start the Sound Without Sight organization,
  • what is the Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB) and how they invite industry collaborations for an accessible music experience for everyone,
  • why you should even consider making your software accessible (hint: 💵),
  • how audio developers can make their software accessible,
  • how to test the accessibility of your software,
  • what are typical difficulties of musicians and sound engineers with blindness or partial blindness,
  • how Audio Developers Conference 2022 tackled the issue of accessibility and how ADC23 can improve upon it.

This podcast was recorded on April 5, 2023.

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Below you’ll find all people, places, and references mentioned in the podcast episode.

  1. Jay Pocknell
  2. Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB)
  3. Sound Without Sight
  4. University of Surrey
  5. Guildhall School of Music & Drama
  6. Accessibility Discovery Centre at Google offices in London
  7. Harry Morley from Focusrite
  8. Dancing Dots software
  9. MuseScore
  10. Jason Dasent
  11. ABRSM
  12. Droidcon conference
  13. NVDA screen reader
  14. JUCE C++ framework
  15. Softube
  16. Native Instruments
  17. Examples of accessible software

Tips for making your audio software accessible

  1. Try out your software with a screen reader.
  2. Check how keyboard-only navigation works.
  3. Pay attention to logical and clear user interface layout.
  4. Try turning off screen and using your software.
  5. Pay attention to scalable, resizable user interface.
  6. Pay attention to a good color contrast.
  7. Pay attention to special accessibility labels of your controls (knobs, buttons, etc.).
  8. Don’t neglect aesthetics.

Thank you for listening!

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